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In this episode, I have the absolute privilege of talking to Mazin Jamal. Mazin is a fellow coach trained by the academy for coaching excellence, a trainer, author, artist, musician, activist, and thought leader in building a world where everyone can thrive. He is the founder and executive director of Holistic Underground – an organization that supports social movements and companies to bring principles of Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion to their work.

In this conversation, Mazin tells us about his theory of change, the methodology Holistic Underground works with to train movements and organizations in JEDI principles which is called “purpose place”, some organizational shifts toward self-organization and distributed leadership they are going through at the moment, his perspective on transformative justice, and a recent trip to Sudan, where he visited his family there and got to support the local revolution and resistance against the military coup that is happening there.


Find more about Mazin’s work at https://mazinjamal.com or his Instagram @mazinjamal_

You can learn more about the programs and training that Holistic Underground offers and get in touch with them if you are interested in working with together at https://holisticunderground.org.

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Resources mentioned

The Ready is an organization that is working on designing and transforming organizations: https://theready.com/

The OS Canvas is a tool developed by The Ready to better understand and re-design organizations. You can read about it here https://medium.com/the-ready/the-operating-system-canvas-420b8b4df062

Holacracy is a governance model for the self-organization of big groups. You can check it out here https://www.holacracy.org/.

Essentialism by Greg McKeown is a book about focusing on the really important things to be more successful in them. You can listen to the author introducing his book here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9x6D09AKBU

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